Marmalade-Lady wrote: |
Hi Musti
please do. And this time make it a really bang smack of an errorr, not one which can be twisted around here and there. I am sure there are errors, but I also know Muslims are adept at managing to make even a mountain of an error look Godly in some way. |
Musti wrote: |
Ok then.
Back when the koran was revealed it was believed their were seven planets each travelling in a sphere. The seven planets they could see moving in the sky were the moon, Venus, Mercury, the Sun, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. At that time the sun and the moon were also considered planets, which was understood as wandering stars. Each one controlled one of the seven spheres of the heavens, beyond which lay God's throne. |
Musti wrote: |
For the Koran to contain this myth there should be evidence of the following: |
Musti wrote: |
1.Seven heavens exist |
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2.They are above us |
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3.They are one above another(layers) |
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4They are visible (spheres) |
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5.The koran suggest its readers are alreay aware seven heavens exist |
Musti wrote: |
Here is the evidence to prove the koran is repeating this myth: |
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SHAKIR: Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens ,~ one above another |
Musti wrote: |
The above verse alone confirms the five criterias for this myth. |
Musti wrote: |
So clearly Allah is asking the readers of the Koran that do you not see the seven heavens above you, one above another. |
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Therefore, Allah is asking readers to confirm the fact that there are seven visible heavens in the sky. |
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Early muslims would of nodded there head in response to Allahs question but what about todays muslims. |
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When they look up at the sky are they nodding too? Of course not! |
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Here is further evidence: |
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SHAKIR: Who created the seven heavens one above another; you see no incongruity in the creation of the Beneficent Allah; then look again, can you see any disorder? Firstly this verse begins with the words who creatd the seven heavens . Which implies the readers are aware that these sevens already exist as this would otherwise be a meaningless question. The verse then tells its readers to look up at the seven heavens to see if they can find any flaws in them. Which is only possible if the they are visible. So Ibnshaq, according to your God you can look up at the sky, see seven heavens and confirm they are without any flaws. If you can't I don't see how you can be a muslim, unless of course you have a vision impairment. |
Phedippedes wrote: |
Here Allah says it again: the course of the sun and the moon are something that you should see. ('Seest thou not..') |
Phedippedes wrote: |
Yes it does and it also tells us that the movement of the sun and the moon along their 'falak' is visible. |
BMZ wrote: |
Ahmed,
Can you please provide the link, where the notorious FFI goons are talking about Alam Tara? I would like to read. I cannot post. Salaams BMZ |
AhmedBahgat wrote: | ||
Salam mate http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47902 enjoy cheers |
BMZ wrote: |
Oh! Boy. If one needs a good ROTFLMAO, one must read what the FFI goons write. I read all the posts by single-cell brains but noticed that All_Brainsless avoided the topic.
What the goons don't understand is the meaning of Sab'aa Samawaat. Sab'aa means only seven to these FFI goons, who do not have any knowledge of the Meccan dialect. Please tell the FFI goons that Sab'aa Samawaat means "Vast Heavens" in that verse. The FFI jokers can believe there are "Four Corners" of the Earth but cannot understand Arabic. The insanity of FFI minds and Ali Sina knows no bounds. LOL! I can read that looney site but cannot post. Salaams BMZ |
AhmedBahgat wrote: | ||
Salam man yeh bro a bunch of freaks, however myself and IW2 who also joined FI are giving them a tough time, they are freaking out on the both of us Unity between the Muslism is the solution against those filthy and low kafirs, myself and IW2 are showing this unity that I hoped for, despite I do believe that IW2 and myself still differ in minor issues regarding the Quran understanding however we are both united in the same cause against those filthy kafirs who attack and mock Islam and its followers, and even with our (IW2 and myself) differences we show that unity and indeed it is pissing them off bad you and me showed this unity to them when you used to be active there and I'm sure that you noticed how it was pissing them off bad I reckon a 5 strong and united Quran knowledgable Muslims will make all kafor members on FFI to STFU to avoide embarrassment just a side note, regardless the 7 Samawaat to mean a physical 7 skies or (a metaphorcial) 1 vast heaven, is not the issue for me, I really careless if it is 1 vast heaven or seven heavens (both are cool with me), what I cared about is the words Alam Tara and this is where I got them cornered and made them look really fool and ignorant Tacke care mate |
Musti wrote: | ||
As you are unable to address the evidence the game for you is certainly over. Hard luck but thanks for playing. |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Yeh mate
it's Pheddeddeede, I can't get his name right either , I call him Pheds for simplicity I dont know why they keep banning you, berber was banned for threats and he is already back which is cool because Berber is also pissing them off I will try to contact them publically and see take care mate |
Tvebak wrote: |
Hello Ahmed |
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Unfortunately for you, 67:3 CLEARLY tells us what we should be SEEING WITH THE NAKED EYE, let me walk you through it and that should be enough to prove your stupidity again: |
Tvebak wrote: |
ok and what is that?, lets see... |
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-> The verse starts by the following: الَّذِي خَلَقَ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ طِبَاقًا , i.e. He who created the seven skies one above another;, then the verse added a fact that will be seen, and I agree with you in here, the seeing is by the naked eye, مَّا تَرَى فِي خَلْقِ الرَّحْمَنِ مِن تَفَاوُتٍ , i.e. you see no incongruity in the creation of the Beneficent Allah , opps, did you miss it Rusti Musti?, it clearly says what we should be seeing with the naked eyes here it is in big font:
تَفَاوُتٍ Tafawut, i.e. incongruity , not the 7 skis you confused liar. |
Tvebak wrote: |
So what we should (not) see with our naked eyes is "incongruity ... ... |
Tvebak wrote: |
[this is what is interesting] ... ... in the creation of the Beneficent Allah". What is the creation, as mentioned in this verse, |
Tvebak wrote: |
of the "Beneficent Allah"; i bloody e "the seven skies". |
Tvebak wrote: |
And the same goes for "disorder"... |
BMZ wrote: |
Ahmed,
The problem is that none of these goons really knows the Arabic of Qur'aan. They argue using English words from translations. LOL! Keep dismissing them one by one. Salaams & Good Night BMZ |
AhmedBahgat wrote: | ||
Indeed brother, they know nothing, here the last slam dunk regarding the same allegation by them: Hello all Despite the Game is Over between me and Rusti Musti, I actually remembered 3 verses that surely exposes this freak further, As I have shown that the freak is totally confused regarding the word Yara or Tara (See), for him, he thought first that it means to see by the naked eye, then he conceded after seeing the Quran verses that I have presented that it can also mean seeing by the heart and mind, now the following three verses will certainly confirm what I just said again, especially we read in those verses the verb Yara (See) 2 times, one of those two times is associated with the eye, i.e. the one that is associated with the eye must be seeing for real (with the naked eye), let?????????????????????¢??s have a look: 6: Nay! if you know with a certain knowledge, 7: You should see the hell; 8: Then you shall see it with the eye of certainty; [The Quran ; 102:5-7] كَلَّا لَوْ تَعْلَمُونَ عِلْمَ الْيَقِينِ (5) لَتَرَوُنَّ الْجَحِيمَ (6) ثُمَّ لَتَرَوُنَّهَا عَيْنَ الْيَقِينِ (7) -> Allah is telling us that if we really know the truth (certain knowledge) then we must be seeing the hell: Nay! if you know with a certain knowledge , now see how the next verse is stated: لَتَرَوُنَّ الْجَحِيمَ , Le Tarwan Al Jaheem, can you see the verb Tarawna, i.e. See,now let me put the two verses together: Nay! if you know with a certain knowledge, You should see the hell;, SEE, most certainly that this is seeing by the heart and mind and that is based on certain knowledge not based on seeing by the eyes because even those who are considered believers in Allah words and are considered to know Him with certain knowledge still can NOT see hell by the naked eyes rather they see it by heart, look at someone like me for example, 100% I BEILIEVE that Hell exists, it is like I see it with my eyes while this is not true of course, however and believe or not, I still visualise how hell might be and based on the info from the Quran alone, have you seen my movie Jahannam, well here it is again so you know well how certain I?????????????????????¢??m that hell exists and at the same time you have been warned: You Have Been Warned -> as we have seen so far that 102:5-6 are talking about those who have certain knowledge and can see hell by the heart and mind, however it did NOT stop at this rather verse 102:8 again is talking about seeing hell again, but this time we will see it with the eyes, and in that case it is not believing any more rather it is a fact that is seen with the eyes of certainty: ثُمَّ لَتَرَوُنَّهَا عَيْنَ الْيَقِينِ , Thumma Le Tarawnha Ain Al Yaqin, i.e. Then you shall see it with the eye of certainty; , can you see the verb Tarawnaha (see) and the word Ain (eye), this is despite we have been told in the previous verse almost the same without the eye of certainty, here it is under each other and simplified: 1) In this life, the believers see hell by their heart and mind 2) In the hereafter they will see it with the eye of certainty because on that day they will see it with their naked eyes What else I can say? Well, there is no question that for the second time, I demolished the ignorance spewed by some freaks regarding the verb Tara or Yara (See), I hope they learn something though and not in a few days we see them parroting their ignorance again, however we should expect it because most certainly the majority in here are manipulated and falsely programmed beyond repairs and for the first time I will seek Allah help for them despite I care less about that because it is not my business rather His and theirs. May Allah give the knowledge for the ignorant and freaks on FFI web site No one can deny that the above 3 verses are another huge slam dunk against Rusti Musti Salam |